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Season 4

Loyal site contributor Androids is going through Season 4 right now. What have ya little buddy?

Discussion?

If anyone is still out there and they feel like discussing the greatest show ever... here's the thread. I'm still planning on rewatchign EVERYTHING, and I'll keep posting, whether anyone is reading or not. It will keep me sane.... or insane... muwahaha!

Anyway... here it is

Flash-sideways

Well i had a REALLY exciting Memorial Day weekend, so I watched a bunch if this season's eps again focusing on the sideways world that we now know as "Purgatory". Basically just looking for hints at the end game plan for this world. Not sure is anyone is reading this still but here were some pertinent notes this round:

Ep 1-2:

- Jack has his neck cut, recognizes Desmond, and just barely recognizes Kate as she;s coming out of the bathroom.

- Charlie hints at what we learn later... he was supposed to die (or at least he wanted to)

- Rose seems like she could already have "flashed" over, and when we see Bernard much later in the season, he has too. Makes sense, they're soul mates.

- Boone. If you go back and read my first ep recap from earlier int he season, you'll see that I noticed something was up with him even back then. I thought he had just become a better actor... but maybe he had already flipped over!!! Seeing Locke could have done it, or trying to get Shannon back from Australia maybe.

- Two red herrings... The island is in the bottom of the sea... and it turns out that never mattered. Also, Juliet says (to Miles while she's dead) "It Worked". Like the bomb going off? Nope, the candy machine turned back on and dropped Sawyer his apollo bar.

Ep 3: Kate

- The singular episodes focus primarly on the significant change and growth the characters have made. For example... Kate. Rather than running from the Claire baby situation, she came back to help. She used to run.

- Kate almost flashes on Jack outside the airport.

- Claire's belongings seem to almost trigger her as well.

Ep 4: Locke

- Lockes accepts his place in the world. Although later he's ready to get fixed. But either way he seems at peace.

- Meets Rose.... she doesn't give any serious indications that she knows anything funny, but she does send him to the school where Ben teaches, so it sort of helps. She also tells him about accepting cancer, and maybe he should do the same.

Ep 5: Jack

- Jack has a son to work through his daddy issues.

- His appendix scar? Nope. Where Locke stabbed him in the finale.

Ep 6: Sayid

- Dealing with beign a good or bad man. I wonder if this storyline might have been Eko's if he had stuck around.

- He can't be with Nadia, too many bad things always happen. Althoguh the Shannon thing was sort of convenient.

Ep 7: Ben

- Father figure stuff. He chooses Alex this time over his own desires.

- Another tease about Dharma.... didn't end up mattering.

Ep 8: Sawyer

- Not really sure what Sawyer was workign on... he was a better dude, but nothing esle really changed. I guess he worked out most of his stuff in the real world.

Ep 9: Richard

- Not really a flash ep but his wife did say to Hurley that they already were together. Maybe talking about the "light" they all went into. Maybe?

Ep 10: Jin and Sun

- Another one I wasn't real sure what they needed to improve on... and maybe NONE of them did.

- A question, I think we already asked, Mikhail/Omar/Keamy all died. So are they fucked for the afterlife? Was this world real for them too? Cuz it was real for others: Daniel, Eloise, etc. Maybe their connections just didn't reach that far so they were phonies (like David Shephard).

Ep 11: Desmond....

From here on out its Desmond, Hurley and then the group eps... so it all starts to come together for them... but those were some early season notes that I thought you might find interesting.

Still planning on doing a fuuuuuuuuuuuuulllllll series recap of stuff but I'll probably wait for the Blu Ray series to come out in late August.

Later.

The Final Episode: The End

Ok, had some time now and watched it a couple of times. We already touched on a strong majority of the show below, but I thought I'd watch it one more time, sort of taking notes as the show went on...



SHOW NOTES:

- For starters, the music on this series is unbelievable.

- Pretty sure that's the director's dog, also the Jacob Cabin dog painting crossing the street when Hugo and Sayid are going to get Charlie. Neat little note.

- Good piece of acting with Hurley being so happy to see Charlie. Or at least it was real nice to see. Like most of this ep.

- I know it made Peter and myself laugh at the size of the bush Sawyer was hiding behind.

- Good to see Rose/Bernard/Vincent (more on him later). At least they weren't so lame this time. (and from the looks of things they probably enjoy a nice island life with Hurley and whatever other fools show up to the island).

- Richard being alive was good to see.

-Juliet is back as the fertility doctor for Jin and Sun, and we get our first "awakening" of the ep. Pretty heavy stuff, if you didn't get chills watching these scenes then you probably should quit reading this and question whether or not you actually have a soul.

- My bro Pete does bring up a good point... why would they be so happy about realizing they were dead? Well, whatever it is they're preparing to leave for must be pretty great and I think they know that. Could also be an understanding that these weren't REAL lives they'd been leaving... kind of shells. Now they're complete... I dunno.

- Richard's got a grey hair! Jacob's dead so now he's aging. Good thing he didn't go all dude from the Last Crusade who chose the wrong grail.

- LAPIDUS!!!!! What a bad ass.

- Two tribes merge again and we're headed to the center of the island.

- Juliet is Jack's ex wife... sort of figured. What I don't get is why David even exists. I guess he was created to help Jack get over his daddy issues and he could "let go". Actually yeah I like that. Sort of a bummer for Davey though.

- I liked that Desmond didn't actually have all the answers he just thought he did. And I really liked his speech to Jack, even if he was wrong. Jack delivers a very important line: "All of this matters"

- Hurley tells Jack he believes in him. good stuff. The Hurley/Jack interactions really got to me.

- Jack and Locke were BOTH right. Locke needed him to take out the island so he could leave, but Jack was right that it would turn him mortal.

-Good speech from Hugo to Sayid (sorry for jumping on and off island, but it does it so much this ep, its almost impossible not to)

- Shannon's back. Sweet sexy Shannon. And Sayid and her flash. I'm sure some people are worked up over him not being with Nadia, but it never worked with Nadia, she kept getting hurt.

- Boone. How d'ya think he got "enlightened"? Seriously.

- They needed Desmond to unplug the island. (by the way, trying to figure out who built these island contraptions, etc is frankly too much at this point for me to grasp). His condition made it possible. Lots of skeletons down there. Maybe from when they were building it.

- Widmore/Drive Shaft concert. Liam shows up for ZERO lines... nice of him to do it though.

- Charlie sees Claire. Thought Chuck had a real strong episode.

- Jack gets knocked out by a boulder from Locke. His brain is mush at this point.

- Was hoping we'd get more from Eloise this year, but it's pretty clear she had been awakened a long time ago, and was holding onto this world because she enjoyed he time with her son. It was actually kind of a sweet scene. I do wonder why she is against moving on, when everyone else seems to be totally for it. Actually one of my bigger questions from this finale... which is par for the course with Eloise Hawking.

- Claire, Kate and Charlie all flash over. Pretty great scene. More Chills. Actually there were more scenes with chills than without in this ep. Sort of true.

- That tree hitting Ben seemed like it would be a pretty big deal... guess not.

- Epic fight scene between Locke and Jack. we see how Jack gets his sideways world scars. Also, I'm sure you've all noticed how Jack was stabbed in the same spot that the big JC was when he was on the cross. I'll let you figure that one out.

- Kate kills Locke. Kinda cool.

- Jack fixed Locke and he WAKES UP! Jack keeps getting closer and closer.

- Great scene with the Suns and them knowing who Sawyer is, but he doesn't yet.

- I guess the plane was in better shape then I remember, AND it wasn't nearly as big. So, while it's still a stretch... I'm alright with those guys fixing it.

- Good final Sawyer and Jack scene (could of used more of them) but even better Kate and Jack scene. There last REAL WORLD interaction.

- A little bummed out that Hurley didn't really say goodbye to either Sawyer or Kate, but it's awesome he stayed with Jack. Also very cool that Ben wants to go down with the ship.

- Got a little bit of a Frodo/Sam vibe from Jack and Hurley in this ep.

- Sawyer/Juliet. Great stuff. A call back to her dying and recognizing the other world earlier in the season.

- Kate tries to trigger Jack. She says "I've missed you SO much". I think that's proof that she made it off the island with the Ajira flight. She lived a long life and hadn't seen Jack in so long.

- I sort of saw the Hurley transfer of power coming a mile away, but it was still a cool moment between those two. Also a great scene between Ben and Hurley. Desmond's ok too... more on that later. At first I thought Ben was going to try and kill them... but watching it again, he just looks genuinely excited to see some island magic going down.

- Jack gets Desmond to safety and plugs up the island. "I'll see ya in another life brother" Awesome.

Not sure why he didn't become a smoke monster once it started up again. I think it must have had something to do with Mother's rules for Jacob and Smokey. When he did a header into the cavem it would have killed him, which Jacob can't do... so there it seperated his evil black soul. Smoke Monster!

- Kate and Sawyer grab Claire and make it to the plane.

- Ajira makes it off the island... sort of neat to see the passengers:

1- Other
2- Freighters
3 - 815ers

- Ben and Hurley will run the island... more on that below.

- Excellent Locke and Ben scene. Ben says Locke was special. That's as close to a Walt answer as you're going to get. Hope that makes sense.

- Hurley lets Ben know he was a great #2 and Ben says Hurley was a great #1. More PROOF that they lived their lives after the crash. There wouldn't be TWO purgatories. (word?)

- Also, Ben decides to stay. Probably for two reasons, A) he doesn't belong with that group and B) he really does still have some stuff to work out, Alex, Danielle, etc. Good for him.

- Jack makes it to the church and sees CHRISTIAN. Other than the character aspects of this scene, Jack and his father finally having their moment they needed since season 1, Christian says some pretty important things:

1) They're all real. Everything that happened to them was real.
2) There's no time here. They all needed to be there, it started after they were all dead
3) Some died before Jack and some after. Again, Whatever Happened, Happened.
4) They built this place together, they needed each other to remember... and to...
5) let go.

- A happy ending as they all see and greet each other again, and ascend off into... well whatever it is. Together... Live together, die alone. Sorry, went for the cheese there, but if you've been reading for this long I doubt you mind.

- Interspliced with this is Jack (who was launched out of the cave, think something like Eko, Desmond, and Locke after the hatch implosion) slowly making his way back to the bamboo forrest where it all started for him (notice the tennis shoe in the tree from the pilot ep).

- Just as he's laying down to die, Vincent comes down (like in the pilot) and lays down with him to keep him company. I think that one scene affected me more than any other in the history of... well tv I guess.

- Jack looks up and see his friends made it, and the eye closes. I actually believe that they had that scene from very early on. Just perfect.





FINAL THOUGHTS ON THE SIDEWAYS WORLD:

- Some think they were dead this entire time, since the original plane crash... couldn't disagree more.

- EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED ON THE ISLAND HAPPENED. Them leaving, them coming back, them time traveling, it was ALL real. I might be wrong. But I doubt it.

- I don't think this is JUST Jack's purgatory (for lack of a better word). They all had realizations, they all built it together. Others there are still waiting to leave. At some point I'm sure Ben, Alex, Danielle, Eloise, Daniel Faraday, maybe even Charles Widmore, and many others will have their own send off. Of course we won't see that. Someone like Eko? Well the people or person most important to him and his journey was Yemi, so he probably left with him. (also he refused to come back for the show unless they paid him a shit load, but whatever)

- Some things I really can't explain like why Aaron was a little kid and not grown if it was his purgatory... and why Miles wasn't there, seems like he had quite an attachment to some of these guys.

- Long story short, I wouldn't get too hung up on WHO was in the actual church, it was just a nice way to send them off. They all get a happy ending... which some people might think is a big cop out, but it certainly made me happy.

- A lot of it was probably unnecessary, like why the island was at the bottom of the ocean? Certainly some misdirection by the writer's kind of unfair, but whatever, they had to keep the storyline alive all season and keep us guessing as to what it really was. In the end, it was a perfect way to see all their "greatest hits" and bring them all together again. Plus, those scenes where they remember... I mean... c'mon.





SO WHAT HAPPENED AFTER WHAT WE SAW?

- Well, everyone's moved on... they "live" in the afterlife, and all is swell.

- How about in the more immediate future... let's do a final check of where were at:

- The final shots of the beach have been generating a lot of debate. I think it was just a nice shot of the beach again, cuz unfortunately we never really saw it this ep. Also, the typical theme music there is pretty ominous and suspenseful

- Hurley and Ben run the island, with Bernard, Rose and Vincent, and probably the rest of the Others who survived. I'm guessing they find Jack at some point... I hope at least. I like Ben's last line... do it your way (paraphrasing) I'll assume that means he got Desmond off the island... was probably even able to visit his folks and let them know he'd be ok. Hopefully someone talked to the Kwons, and Jack's mom as well.

- Also fun to think about what happened to those guys on the Ajira flight afterwards.

- Frank probably went back to his normal life.

- Miles, same deal, hopefully he had those diamonds still.

- Richard, probably used one of his Mittelos identities to blend in.

- Sawyer, Kate and Claire? That gets a little trickier. Especially for Kate. They're all supposed to be dead, and Kate told everyone that was the case. Ahhh... I'm sure they'll figure it out.




Well... that's about it for now. It's definitely one of my favorite eps of the series, and my favorite series finale ever.

If you've got any more comments let's hear em! What did you think? What did I miss?

Oh, also, mostly for my own benefit, I'll definitely be going through all the eps again and if we don't have an answer for an outstanding question from the show... well... we'll make one up!

A good run. This was fun. Thanks for all who participated.

TV will suck now.

PS. This took a long time to type so I didn't really proof read anything.

Finale thoughts...

I'm still working on a recap post, but I'm not sure it'll in contain more than "this was awesome" and "I loved that".

Obviously there was a ton that went unanswered, but hopefully you don't care about that... at least not RIGHT NOW.

Started the season with a Season 3 Jack depression beard...

... and we'll finish it with one too!!!





My favorite television ep in the history of tv. Hopefully I've got a new one after Sunday!